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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:33 pm 
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Also everyone, remember this is not us saying fan service needs to go away, just that it should never get to the level of the manga.


This. AND not bothering anymore talking with Swordiris, if someone else can make it, i will give them a cookie. But seriously, i cant, i just cant.

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Alright, pretty much registered to yell at you guys for this discussion, or lack thereof.

For those completely freaking out over fanservice and how scary it is, it isn't going to affect the game. We've gone through two games already so you should know what to expect. Two games being lenient because I didn't count Extend as a full game on its own. Remix Heart is a prequel spinoff manga. I say manga because it isn't intended for the audience outside of Japan at all, and if you ever tried purchasing the manga itself in a legal manner, you'd realize that.

For those who keep saying they read Remix Heart, how many of you actually read it, rather than looked at the art? You all keep saying the manga is completely fanservice, but it's not. It's a prequel to Calamity Trigger to show the lives of people within the Military Academy of Torifune. It goes into explanations about the Ars Magus aptitude tests and courses.

Yes, it does have a bit of fanservice, but going to the point of comparing it to a hentai or ecchi doujin is utterly stupid. For one, it's not even a doujin. Secondly, this is fairly light ecchi by Japan's standards. The designs for the females in Blazblue—along with every other game—has been fairly revealing or suggestive to begin with, Tsubaki aside. Yes, there was a bit of nudity in the first chapter. The first time was to explain the methods of the Ars Magus test; you don't undergo a full physical with clothes on. The second was to lead into the protagonist having a very boy-like reaction (dizziness, blood rushing to head) to seeing girls naked. It was pretty cliche, if anything.

This also leads into cultural differences. First off, the fighting portion of Blazblue has very little fanservice whatsoever. The only fanservice in the actual game, however small amounts of it, is in the visual novel portion. You say fanservice ruins it reputation, but you realize there's a cat girl constantly showing off her underwear, judging every girl (and Bang) by their breast size, even nicknaming them terms like Boobie Lady. When you first went through the scene, did you think "oh no, that's fanservice!"? No, you thought that it was pretty funny, if not at least amusing. That's how things like this roll in Japan that you're freaking out over.

And regarding the protagonist being a boy, it's a narration on the last page in the manga. No one knows she's a he and they give no explanation behind it.

Now, are we done whining?


LOL at this idiot.

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For those who keep saying they read Remix Heart, how many of you actually read it, rather than looked at the art?


Umm, pretty sure most people here don't know Japanese

Unless it's translated already or something, then never mind me

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For those who keep saying they read Remix Heart, how many of you actually read it, rather than looked at the art?


Umm, pretty sure most people here don't know Japanese

Unless it's translated already or something, then never mind me


It isn't translated not that it needs to be, nothing of worth even happens.

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I'm keeping out of this because it's gotten dumb and repetitive, however because some people are taking it as SERIOUS BUSINESS I'd just like to remind people to be civil and not insult people or say something they might regret.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:03 pm 
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LOL at this idiot.

Great argument, but I pretty much expected that from you.

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Umm, pretty sure most people here don't know Japanese

Unless it's translated already or something, then never mind me

That's my point. Everyone is using the word read when reading implies they understand the written language. Therefore, they looked at the illustrations and deemed it bad without any context whatsoever.

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It isn't translated not that it needs to be, nothing of worth even happens.

Wrong. It is translated but not scanlated, and the nothing of worth happening is purely an opinion you're trying quite hard to force onto others.

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I'm keeping out of this because it's gotten dumb and repetitive, however because some people are taking it as SERIOUS BUSINESS I'd just like to remind people to be civil and not insult people or say something they might regret.

As much as I'd love to result to insult-flinging, it makes for a poor discussion, hence my first original sentence about this thread.


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No point in making the exact same points again lol if you actually read the thread you'd see I already address all that you say. I really have nothing more to say.

Like Takoto said, it's getting repetitive since you essentially just repeated Hugh/Sword Iris and Red Vermillion.

We're just debating with horny people pissy we want their fap material toned down (with the exception of Red Vermillion who was only really offering the whole "it's because of the culture etc"), so it's starting to get extremely stupid, especially with the intrusion of this idiot who joined the forum just to start shit.

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No point in making the exact same points again lol if you actually read the thread you'd see I already address all that you say. I really have nothing more to say.

Like Takoto said, it's getting repetitive since you essentially just repeated Hugh/Sword Iris and Red Vermillion.

We're just debating with horny people pissy we want their fap material toned down (with the exception of Red Vermillion who was only really offering the whole "it's because of the culture etc"), so it's starting to get extremely stupid, especially with the intrusion of this idiot who joined the forum just to start shit.

You seem to be only one trying to stir anything based on your wording, but I digress. Yes, there were repetitive points in my argument, but do you know why? When discussing new content, you show how it relates to the content already known. Isn't that the base of a discussion, justifying old points and creating new ones as new information comes along?

From what I can tell, no one here has actually read it, just keep assuming it's plotless fap material since they are unable to read it. But what about the people who want to discuss the contents of the manga? You obviously don't. The biggest thing about this thread that leads to me to believe it belongs in a garbage bin is that almost everyone here is an extreme — they either like it and support it wholly or dislike it completely, sticking to one base argument and refusing to branch off. Granted, some arguments like Red Vermillion's are pretty nice, as he actually addressed the issue that's been consuming the thread.

One of your old posts even asks why are they naked. I explained that, yet you completely disregard it as you're already set that you don't like it. If you don't want to discuss it, why are you participating in this thread so adamantly?

Hell, if you removed every post in this thread that wasn't about Remix Heart, you'd have less than 5 pages. This thread was mostly 'I don't like fanservice' among other even more off-topic subjects.


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I actually don't hate fanservice, in fact my favourite game of all time has some of it which borders on risque... but there IS a point where it goes too far, even for Japan. It's lazy marketing and also lazy and poor from a storytelling point as well. Not saying the artist him/herself is lazy (it takes quite a bit of effort and time to draw all of that), but that it's extremely easy to just dish out fanservice because they know the audience will eat it right up without much explanation. It's a cheap way to make money and I think that's what's wrong with it. If there isn't much other than cliches in the writing, and then the rest of it is fanservice to draw attention... well that's just silly. We can't stop it of course, but the thing is what people are saying is if BlazBlue delves into the level of fanservice then they will be pretty ticked off. No one here was saying they hated fanservice itself with the exception of a few. They were explaining why the level of it in this manga is just plain ridiculous.

I'm sorry, what is bothering me about this repeated argument is that people who are trying to defend all the fanservice look like THEY HAVEN'T EVEN READ MOST OF THE THREAD. How do I know? By reading the responses, it's very easy to tell. Seriously, if you're going to jump in here and defend, at least understand what the other side is trying to say. It's hard to see your viewpoint if you aren't even doing that.

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I quite agree with Davina though.

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